Debate
From: 4HIM
Subject: Jesus Christ is God in the Flesh.
Message: "I and my Father are ONE."
--Jesus Christ, John 10:30
"...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
--Philippians 2:5-8
I have more scriptures if you need them.
"Assalam-0-Alikum"
"Peace Be Upon You"
Thank u for messaging me....
Where did u see me??in which question that is??
1.Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh).
2.We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt).
3.We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.
4.We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh).
5.We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.
6.We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission.
There is a verse in (I think Mark) in which it says that Jesus and his 12 Dicipiles r one...
So u have a problem....
Now u have to believe in 13 Gods....
As for the other verse....
That was not Jesus Christ's Words....
I am sure we would continue this "conversation".......
From: 4HIM
Subject: Which post?
Message: I am so sorry, I do not recall which place I saw your post. Neither do I recall what was posted. Maybe if you can tell me what I said, I will remember.
"Assalam-0-Alikum"
"Peace Be Upon You"
Then how did u know that i existed?:-)
U quoted Philippians in the message before this....
I don't have space to re-write it...
I want u to read those verses again....
Is this a description of a being who is "co-equal, co-substantial, and co-eternal" with God, as the "Trinity" doctrine requires?
Definitely NOT!
Remember, according to the Bible:
So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS [OWN] IMAGE, IN THE IMAGE OF GOD CREATED HE HIM; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:27, emphasis added.
So for Jesus to be "in the form of God" (Phil. 2:6) is no big deal: According to Genesis 1:27, WE ALL ARE!
Moreover, if Jesus acted as "a servant," "humbled himself" and "became obedient unto death." HE WAS SUBORDINATE TO GOD, not co-equal with God, as the Trinity doctrine requires.
Finally, if Jesus ACTUALLY died, he was not "co-existent" with God - because his death would mark as point when his existence was INTERRUPTED, but Gods was NOT!
What we have in Philippians is NOT an example of "Trinitarianism," but, at most, a suggestion that Jesus was somehow superhuman. Tales of superhuman beings such as the mythical "Adam Kadmon" and "Metatron" abound in Jewish folklore - and even sometimes find expression in the Old Testament (e.g. tales relating to Melchizadek). Such tales, however, do not a triune God make!
So i have refuted both the verses....
I will look forward for your message....
till then...
"Salaam"
"Peace"
From: 4HIMSubject: I think that I remember now. Jesus is God in the fleshMessage: I really don't believe that we will be able to converse about this because we do not believe in the same God. I believe that God became the man Jesus and came to the earth as a baby to become the sacrifice for the sins of all who will recieve Him as their Lord and their Savior. Jesus became our sins while on the cross. Our sins were put to death through Him. God raised Jesus again. Not our sins. Jesus lives.
"Assalam-0-Alikum"
"Peace Be Upon You"
We believe in the same God....
Its just that some people (like Paul) has deceived you....
Jesus Christ NEVER said that He is God.....
Never...
Once he was asked and he replied this:
"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad."
This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:
"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." [Mark 12:29]
Which is strikingly similar to Quran..When Allah says in Sura 112: Ikhlas:
1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.
Open your eyes sister....
Evidence is irrefutable....
